bmw n20 131501

My 2013 X3 28i timing chain was replaced by BMW (no cost to me) in January 2019 at 107,000 km. 61 00 730 Refer to KSD2 Programming/encoding control unit(s) I got a few drivetrain malfunctions last week: 131501 vanos, intake, cold start; not adjustable 120408 reduced power mode. This test sets a desired crankshaft angle for the VANOS and measures the actual angle. Looking forward to the return of your blog. Hi bmwtechnician, 131501 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Non-adjustable [ Copyright 2013 BMW of North America, Inc. ] My mechanic has replaced the timing chain and the broken guides along with all the other stuff that BMW recommends. but after 3-4 minutes these fault codes with a message -Drivetrain problem comes in the display. To my shame, I am not sure how to post video in your blog. What are related problems? This documentation is not necessary when part of an approved Technical Service repair procedure; 130104 VANOS, intake, control fault, camshaft jammed DME. 2011 BMW 535i [0.00] 535i drivertrain malfunction. Neither the VANOS units nor the solenoids have been replaced. Owned Program. BMW like to keep some things to them selfs,,,,they dont want to release any information if they dont have to. I bought an x3 28ix build on 07/2015, model 2016 with 124000km. also by any chance would you know the torque specs for this bolts? F30 / F31 / F32 / F33 / F34 / F36 (2012 - current). Reduced power" warning, 745i 2002 - Engine Malfunction - reduced power, If this is your first visit, be sure to Im not really sure its my 2012 BMW 320i (F30) probably produced from 05/2012 affected by this or not as its did not show in the list. Thank you. Page 2 of 4 Look into loose connectors. It cannot be timing. Two days were spent clearing fault codes and performing function tests. when he took a test drive, the codes again cam back. Yes you can check the oil pressure,,,also when the mechanic performed the timing chain repairs the oil pan was off and hopefully he checked the oil pump screen for and debris and cleaned it out. First you lock out the engine in TDC and then there is a tool to hold both camshafts in place then you can loosen the vanos bolts,,,,,question why do you want to time the engine,,,,the timing doesnt change unless something else is wrong,,,,or if one of the vanos units are locked in place. So just saw this in the nick of time. Hello again, hope you having great day!! My engine is N52 Did you also change the oil when you replaced the filter,,,yes switch vanos solenoids,,,no need to reset adaptation values,,,just test drive and see what happens,,,but change the oil also. I've tested the soleniods and they are both good. It has the N26 engine, factory warranty has expired. The VANOS cold start faults would reappear within 15 seconds of startup. Ok you have a couple of things going on here,,,,that fault code just ignore,,,that fault code is a bogus fault some kind of software bug,,,,,ok you start stop function not working I dont know without looking at the car,,,,now the car shutting off while driving sound like the fuel pump and the fuel pump relay EKPS module is going bad,,,,I would have those checked out next time. Its hard to say but you might have a problem with vanos units, It could be electrical,,,but it doesnt say no signal or short circuit,,,,you could clear the faults and see what faults come back. FM pistons with negative bias of piston ring are also installed in this motor. How does this help the car in what way? When the VANOS solenoids were removed for testing I checked the marks I made on the VANOS impulse wheels and on the harmonic balancer and they looked perfect. As many have said before, thank you for your very valuable insights and information. SB-10053485-8362 The fuel pump tank pressure is good when i check but when i read the data for fuel rail its very low and drop right back to 0.. Turbo engines are more complex and require several . F020-13-07-506 for the F3x The BMW Certified Pre-Owned Limited Warranty applies to BMW CPO vehicles that are still Car history: before selling the car last owner took it to BMW, changed oil and filters, rear tires and spark plugs. Or will my timing chain, etc. also it has a start stall initially. My car have no error code, product 4/2012 with no tune. I just purchased a 2016 228i xDrive Cabriolet (manufactured in Germany) with 46k kilometers for my wife. ISTA says these errors: Thanks, The charge pressure fault is probably due to the the vanos fault,,,,it looks like you replaced all the general stuff already and you are sure the timing is correct,,,,,you said the engine had low water damage what does that mean,,,is it possible the exhaust camshaft is binding,,,,you might want to check the exhaust camshaft journal caps. Seems like the locking pins are stuck. I can of course record my engine startup if thatll let you know the case). The details of the settlement if approved by court will extend timing chain and oil pump drive chain to 8 years/100000 miles(which ever comes first). BMW replaced the motor and shipped it to us in AZ from Virginia. Its a shame to have to scrap the car. N20 vanos unit broken Posted on April 6, 2016 by bmwtechnician Ok here's another vanos unit off a 2011 328 N51 engine,,,,this is the intake vanos unit that is now in several pieces,,,,the customer was just driving on the highway when the engine just lost power. No I dont think it is covered,,,and what lifetime of the vehicle are you talking about. Any suggestions on what to check on the Vanos for the 131501 code? Dont they use the same spec N20 engine just with a slight bump in power for the 28i version? Changed the exhaust VANOS. This is not a recall. Reset codes and adaptations without increment wheel. I have ISTA-D and scared the following codes. Previous posts of timing chain upgrade explains my experience. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. It idles fine and sounds much better than before. It goes from 0 8 kpa and back to 0 will cranking do you have any idea what that reading should be on the fuel rail. If one of the applicable faults listed above is not stored in the DME fault memory then continue Required fields are marked *. Last question- if it is a failing timing chain- is this a something best repaired in a couple weeks, or do I have a few months. Code 120408 Charging Pressure control Switch off as consequence There has to be a reason. Then I changed the exhaust cam gear and the solenoid. I am also concerned , like every other n20 owner, that it will grenade eventually. Would you suspect this is more related to the software reprogram or is the timing off? Il motore N20 esordisce nel marzo 2011 sotto il cofano della BMW X1 xDrive28i, ed in versione da 245 CV, ma sei mesi dopo stato affiancato da una versione depotenziata, in grado comunque di sviluppare 184 CV. if I have used the tool how it is possible no to be on timing ?! E84 and E89: Or maybe the fuel that would be implicated! Thank you for your time and expertise. I assume the tensioner is operated by oil pressure and its normal to feel some slack when the engine is not running? I called the mechanic he said it was a fault related to the emissions. Bringing the BMW community together. one of the plug had corroded pins due to leaking pigtail from that Dinan harness and i got the DME clone. Ok heres another vanos unit off a 2011 328 N51 engine,,,,this is the intake vanos unit that is now in several pieces,,,,the customer was just driving on the highway when the engine just lost power. Nope,,,,its up to the dealership to make the call for BMW if they will fix the timing chain issue on your car under the TSB. Hi greatings from Norway i have also a Bmw 320i GT-xdrive with 97k-km i dont hear any winning on the chain.I dont find in your list f34 320i Gt from 07.2013 that means that is not afected or just is not on the list i called allso BMW-and they said that my car is not on the extendet waranty list.Im verry stresed with this timming chain issue every time when i go on the car i listen to the engine is like ridding a time bomb.I am paning to change the timming chain at 150k-km even if is not making the noise.And whi there so many 328i afected and 320i not does it matter if mine is a xdrive?does the chain is more under load fi the care is x-drive? Car start very well but no power and check engine light on code po52b. Maybe not as loud as before but still noisy. Please advice. I know there has been a lot of people complaining to BMW NA about this problem,,,I think there is a case where people are trying to sue BMW over the timing chain issue,,,one of the problems is none of the other BMW have this problem only the N20-N26. everything in the vehicle works extremely well. thanks, You might want to look at the timing chain on a N20,,,that can cause a lot of different problem, Your email address will not be published. The car is as we speak back to the dealer for further diagnose and they have seen a slight difference in the crankshaft position or something like that.. one of the shafts was not in the correct angle. Am I free of concern? But thats not what happened. https://youtu.be/FQ92t236Utg. I had to replace the valve lifters. If you are interested here is the rest of the story. The spark plug have nothing to do with this problem,,,,they would cause misfires,,,I would think you should get some kind of signal from camshaft angle,,,,are you sure everything is plugged in correctly, Hello, My exhaust cam is retarding to the most far point , I time the engine with kit, locking crank, cam shaft and vanos. Yes you need to buy the camshaft locking tools,,,,the timing will slip,,,,you need a t-stat also,,,,the charge pressure fault may be due to the vanos unit,,,,the trailer issue is a random fault,,,,hope this helps. Im more concerned with the multiple vanos codes which happened after the fact. Sorry there are no replacement bolts for the N20 vanes unit that I know of,,,,,yes they are aluminum,,,the N20 and N26 vanes unit are not common to break not like the older one on N51 and N52, No, no I did not receive this bulletin to my knowledge, maybe because I am the 2nd owner of the car as of February 2019(?). I was told by a mechanic that the engine was done, simply by information from a scan. Thanks. We are just have an idea that it is fuel related due to other countries dont have the same problem as we do,,,and we have different fuel requirement then other countries,,,,so what might be happen is the the fuel burn is not as great as other countries and causing more stress on the timing chain causing it to break down. I know I might be looking at replacing Vanos Actuator, central valve or the whole vanos unit. Only in eco or comfort mode when I drive carefully or just keeping a normal speed at low rpm. Also, I keep getting this code P3195 Radiator coolant temperature signal stuck high, BMW fixed the radiator but this code keeps coming on and off, some days it stays on some days it doesnt stay on. Did you ever solve this? Yann Wehrling, vice-prsident de la rgion le-de-France, charg de la Transition cologique, et Patrice Leclerc, maire de Gennevilliers et Prsident du groupe Front De Gauche la . I hate to take it to the junk yard. Thanks! Yes I have seen some engines survive,,,,it just hard to say what damage was done to the engine and how bad it is,,,,and is it worth fixing. Note that the desired angle was constant. 131501-VANOS inlet, cold start not consolable. I am troubleshooting an issue with it already for weeks now and unfortunately I was not able to find the root cause yet. The only fault was still the boost disable fault. Thanks for your time. The cost of diagnosing the P052B BMW code is 1.0 hour of labor. Intake Camshaft: Installation faulty. The N20 is a 2.0L inline-4 single turbo engine that replaced the naturally aspirated 3.0L N52/N53. E84 Ive enjoyed your blog and I hope you will start posting again. F025-13-07-506 for the F25 Im wondering do I need to have the 7/70 warranty to get covered on this timing chain problem? My engine shut of while idle in park. My car, BMW 320i 2014 with N20 Engine, with 33K Miles on the clock, is just broke down with a drive train error. Today my engine shut off while I was driving. 131401 VANOS, exhaust, starting from cold: Non-adjustable When I read the code through ISTA, these codes are. The BMW Certified Pre-Owned Limited Warranty applies to BMW CPO vehicles that are still Great blog here..dear BMWTech amy idea of the failure rate of the N20/26 timing chain..is it 30%? Your really helpful : So how do I know when its time for a update. Cleared the code, and restarted the engine, within . The 7 years/70000 miles extended limited warranty follows the VIN, so if the 2015 X3 is on the list, the N20/N26 engine will be covered. In US the N20/N26 timing chain extended limited warranty is 7 years/70000 miles, so what is extended coverage available in your country? JavaScript is disabled. Its hard to say without performing some test with a diagnostic equipment. N20 Vanos Solenoid Valve BMW tech info says the cams need to be locked down to remove the Vanos valve. 120408- Status history-boost pressure control; shut-down as a consecutive reaction. If I reach my finger in through oil filler cap with the engine off and cold, is it normal for there to be some slack in the timing chain on an N20? Engine The improved DME software was introduced 133E10 -permanent valvetronic system: deactivated, adjustment fault too frequent Did you hear anything like this before? Hi Hi, I have little complicated problem with F30 N20B20 2012 engine.. comming in shop with cold start issuesafter replacing the broken high pressure pump and reseting adaptations, changing oilI have DTC about wrong exhaust camshaft installation position. Then I used ISTA and diagnosed the exhaust side. Other Repairs The ticking noise is normal on all N20 engine during cold start and then it get quieter when it warms up,,,what Im more worried about if the car has a whining noise and also trying to get the timing chain and rails replaced under BMW extended warranty. Please help! Sorry for the confusion, I understand you have the N20 engine,,,,what Im saying on the N20 engine the vans unit failing is not a common problem like the N51,,,,,on the N20 engine there are no replacement bolts for the vanos unit not like the N51. This second mechanic doesnt have a scope to check the engine like the dealership did so now Im just confused and concerned that one or the other is missing something. three fault codes are I bought a used 2012 528i with 109k miles about 4 months ago. The actual angle also varied as in the previous test but on average was nearly equal to the desired angle. Would there be a difference between our 2 continents with regard to production? 1; 120408 Charging pressure control: switch-off as consequence Earlier this week I took my 2012 328i to dealership because check engine light came on. One last question about dirty oil. Labor: 1.0. Dealer wants almost 300 euro to check the timing chain. Is the fact that my vehicle is not on your list reassuring? now I have a question for you and hoping to get a direction. Tried to read live camshaft sensors read ista says that currenty no data is sent from them to DME. The connector may have a removable cover. if you can direct me in the right path I will really appreciated . Im thinking the dealership is just not interested in fixing it. programming and it fails to program correctly or requires initialization, this additional work must Search button, and then enter the applicable flat rate labor operation in the FR code field. Yesterday when i was driving the car normally on the hwy the drivetrain malfunction popped up and car went into a reduced power mode. 1c0102 thanks for the input. After several engine stop/start cycles there were still no faults. It looks like the car is on this recall list. Just realized the cut off is February 2015, not 2014. Glossary of Emission Coverage attachment for more information. Table 2 - Engine N20 and N26 Fault codes Model ISTA/P version / Target Integration Level All (see attachment) I12 2.53.0 / I001-14-07-500 or higher Fault codes Model ISTA/P version / Target Integration Level All (see attachment) except faults 2D55 or 131501 E84, E89 2.53.0 / E89X-14-07-500 or higher F10 2.53.2 / F010-14-07-503 or higher F15 . test drove car, get a few codes. diagnosis system checking faults) Everything works, radio, windows, Locks. This time the desired angle was not a constant as in the previous tests. He said he didnt see anything wrong with the oil circulating in the car. Other engines may have this same scenario, but it's not typical. What is your opinion about the above? I want to make sure this issue is fixed. Thank you, No still would be concern,,,,I dont know if they used a different timing chain guide before 6/2012. Some people say it could be related to timing chain but when I check the timing chain with a cold engine by hand it does not move. Hello and thank you for your various articles on the n20 engine. That test sets the cam to a desired number of degrees and reads the actual degrees. hello i have a 2013 bmw x3 from a family friend with n20 Im wondering do I need to have the 7/70 warranty to get BMW covered on this timing chain issue? This is due to a diagnostic programming error in the DME. E84 and E89: SUBJECT Hi bmw technician. What about the rest? to model implausibly too high . No one knows what this CDA904 code means. I live in France with an x1 e84 xdrive 20i (end of 2012) which does not seem to be on your list. Even if the engine is warm it still gives these same fault codes. But when I try to test VANOS data via ISTA it gives no data, only 0. I had 2014 328i and having no issue yet so far,but im concern about the timing chain since my car is on the list of having problems with the timing chain,i checked the vin number to see if there is a recall for that and did not see anything,what should i do to double check ?should i go to dealership and just tell them about this bulleti? and as necessary After starting the car again the error came back on the screen but the power was back. 2002 M10 4-cylinder from 1962-1988, and N20/N26 has so many attributes to be legendary. and it seems like they are about to settle this case on 9/2/2020. Thats important to know for later. Even though work time labor operation code 61 00 006 ends in 006, it is not considered a Main Understandably, many purists were unhappy with the Bavarian manufacturer's decision. Could you please guide me? Could this be the timing chain? They look ok. Do you think it can be a ECU or software related issue? or bimmerfest.com is not in any way affiliated with Bayerische Motoren Werke AG. Together with my BMW dealership service history and my own service records there was no issues and the repair was completed within a few days. Hi, Hi there I have a 2013 BMW f30 320 d EFF engine N47 T EUR model N47D20O1 production date 25/03/2013 ,does this engine have timing chain problems 175.000 Kilometers. One other odd problem during this time was the oil level test did not work. Was it how the faults were cleared that made the difference? So now I have one BMW expert telling me its loose and should be taken care of by the dealership, and the dealership is telling me everything is good to go, no problems. not have the latest software. 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