Either she's grabbed Zachary and taken off and she's trying to, escape, and she has a snowball's chance in hell of getting away with that. She pulled herself together and called David, then a technical writer at Ditech Networks in Mountain View. I wouldn't say I enjoyed the story - There is no happy ending but it brings to light the serious issues surrounding the system. ', KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah. A three-volume report released in 2006 by coroner Peter Markesteyn blamed fundamental flaws in the province's social services for Zachary's preventable death. I got to go to the trial. Specific in nature? Some days its difficult to get out of bed, Kate, 65, says. Around 11:30 PM Shirley came downstairs, asking to borrow T.J.'s car. Elsewhere in St. Johns, T.J. Shears, who first reported his mother and Zachary missing, was suffering his own devastation. children, who had recently been in a bad car accident. Its rage with me, he says. This is a heartbreaking book written about Andrew Bagby and also about his son Zachary by Andrew's dad David Bagby. The provincial court has tightened bail regulations, but has not eliminated bail for murder suspects. MORRISON: And ultimately she sent him away, with no forewarning. You can, just--there's nothing. I had two sisters already, so a brother, because now I'd have somebody that I can teach about hockey and, (Shears and Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary). The Bagbys, whod already been traveling back and forth to Canada for the extradition hearings, knew what they had to do. However, the intended audience of the film. You were done. After helping Kurt Kuene with his documentary Dear Zachary: A Letter from a father to his Son I was honored that David Bagby sent me his book as a thank you. I was truly shocked when I watched it. ', He quoted Shakespeare to me, Kate says, and I thought, `This is incredible. They did their best to keep their dark feelings about their son's accused. Snow. How they were able to do that is phenomenal, actually, says the Rev. But in their time of supreme grief, they had no way of knowing just how much darker their world could get. KATE: And so she said, `Oh, take him and get him dressed,' to me. What they've been doing with their activism is wonderful. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) (Unintelligible). Unidentified Man #20: The weather here is terrible. But if her claims were true, and she was carrying their grandchild, then they were clear: they wanted custody. I tended to break down in rage.. MORRISON: And tell me about your mum with Zachary. The governments report concluded that in all reasonable probability Turner was searching for a way to easily access the ocean along the rocky coast. he was fussy at all. The next day, his body was found riddled with bullets. In fact, he had made a date with another woman that night. Society as a whole should take the lessons derived from this book and just pray the same tragedy never befalls their own family. The Bagbys are extraordinary people. Turner had not finished with the family yet. But in January 2003, the legal system confounded their expectations yet again. Now, she sucked us in here, too. Feb 15, 2022 kate and david bagby still alive. But the Bagbys, who live in San Jose, California, could scarcely imagine what lay in store for them. When he returned to the States, Shirley showed up soon after. He was the whole world to them. But after a year of trying unsuccessfully to have a baby, Kate started using fertility drugs. (Trailer park; parking lot; water; Kurt on boat; excerpts from "Dear Zachary"; houses seen through rainy window; Kate and Zachary). Do you understand? It's great. "There, is no indication of a psychological disorder that would give concern about, potential harm to the public generally as her crime, while violent, was, specific in nature." And then we'd do it through the lawyers. Having watched the documentary about this case, I really needed to read this book. The days he and a friend would work on his beloved Celica out in that driveway. She spends most of her free time watching hit reality TV shows or writing about it for ScreenRant. Click above for unlimited listening to select audiobooks, Audible Originals, and podcasts. Initially, Andrew's close friend Kurt Kuenne, a filmmaker, intended the film as a personal memorial and scrapbook so that Zachary could know the kind of person his father was. Hed been shot five times. The couple's long fight for legal changes in Canada ended Wednesday with a new law. Turner had mentioned the possibility to David months earlier in a rambling telephone conversation. Your recently viewed items and featured recommendations, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss. ?I knew what Zachary's fate would be long before it was written about here but it was shattering to read of it from his grandfather's perspective. Kate, who is six years older than David and had been married before, was ready to get married again and start a family, while David was not at that point in his life. However, as events transpired, the focus shifted to the incompetence of the Canadian courts in keeping Turner behind bars, as well as the plight of Bagby's parents, David and Kate, as they battled to get custody of the last remnant of their slain son. This book is more about how the justice system failed and 2 more people are dead because of it. is a eulogy for a dead son, an elegy for lives cut tragically short, and a castigation of a broken system. Not always.. MORRISON: When you did find out that she was pregnant, what was your thought? Mr. SIMPSON: You don't need to go out with a woman because you can't think you can do better. I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. Turner and Zachary were in the shallow kiddie pool. ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' Zachary thought he could just walk. Please try again. He was like, `Eh, mm.' Absolutely riveting.i couldn't put it down, and was completely draw in and addicted. Turner, then 40, drove the 950 miles straight through and arrived at Andrews door at 5 a.m. Thought that maybe he had found somebody that he could really be happy with. It changes the Criminal Code, allowing courts to refuse bail for suspects accused of serious crimes when anaccused'schild or children under the age of 18 may be in danger. This sad tale tells how slowly justice moved and failed to protect an innocent year old child. His parents were ecstatic. And finally, tragically, Shirley kills Zachary. Privacy Policy. Mr. BAGBY: Constable Walsh asking to call him. In this brutally tragic true story a Father (David Bagby, author) and Mother deal with the slaying of their son by his ex-girlfriend. MORRISON: It was August 2003, the wee hours of the morning by the ocean. Mr. SHEARS: I can remember being really upset and pissed off about that, happening because I had--I had friends here, and I had no time to tell anybody, basically why. The only thing about his life that didn't make sense to some friends and family was his relationship with that doctor from Newfoundland, the one he'd started dating when going to medical school there. Trigger warnings for murder, stalking, abuse, and child murder.The Bagbys are saints and seeing the story as it played out for them was better than any true crime book I have read. He was jolly.. I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. Change is slow. Corporal GARDNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, Dr. Turner, I'm Corporal Gardner with the Pennsylvania State Police. Whom was also a doctor. It is a priority for CBC to create products that are accessible to all in Canada including people with visual, hearing, motor and cognitive challenges. Well written from the heart and to the point. MORRISON: Andrew's body was discovered the following morning with bullets lodged in his face, buttock, chest, the back of his head. Mother a murderer. don't have these meltdowns and emotional scenes. It's great. There are so many questions raised:why was there no psychological profile done on Turner as she awaited trial?Why did child protection services not do their job and protect ( or even follow closely) Zachary? 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I cried with rage, almost like the Bagby's and I normally do not get emotional when it comes to true crime novels. '", "The murder has dominated our lives," says her husband, David, 63. Their relationship with the woman who killed their son was unimaginable. For three seasons now, Temptation Island has been a social experiment to see if long-term couples are able to fix their broken relationships by going on an island full of attractive singles. The Fridays he and a classmate from Bellarmine College Preparatory would come home early and fix dinner in that kitchen. (Canadian flags; Newfoundland; lake and coast; man in coat; photos of Shirley, and Zachary; Kate, David and Zachary; Shirley, Kate and Zachary; Supreme Court, building; photos of David, Kate, Zachary and Shirley), Mr. BAGBY: Dealing with Turner was like, I don't know, walking around with. I thought it was just going to chronicle a murdered man's life, for his son to reflect back on when he was older - because his father was killed before he was born. Maybe the last time you talked to Shirley there was some very subtle change in tone. That was the last time the Bagbys saw Zachary alive. Meanwhile, Kate and David's bond with Zachary grew stronger. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on March 12, 2018, Reviewed in the United Kingdom on September 28, 2017. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. Just before 6 a.m. the next day, a park visitor found Andrew Bagbys frost-covered body lying face down in the parking lot. Its something that cant be forgiven, says Shears. I read on Netflix it's best you know nothing about the story, and that is so true. ', Mr. SHEARS: Things happen in America that don't seem to happen up here as. He and Kate say they know now that they have more than anger to sustain them. (Shears; photo of Shirley, Zachary and Shears; Shears walking), Mr. SHEARS: Suddenly everything rushes into you, and you realize that she, did murder Andrew. Time for all of them to get together at McDonalds for Zacharys first birthday party. They hadn't been identified, but it's obvious who they, MORRISON: He was right. Turner said she was afraid the Bagbys would try to harm her boy. She's very active online and has kept fans updated on her dating life, including her new man. It pains me to award only two stars to a book written by David Bagby, but I want to use the Goodreads' ranking system more accurately. KATE: People thought she was delicate, you know, and looked KATE: She couldn't kill. It says that Pennsylvania detectives almost immediately focused on Shirley Jane Turner. For this night they were a couple once again, dancing and drinking together. We were kind of like, `Well, we're not the best ones to be taking care of a child.' I'm sure she died thinking she had won, but I also hope her she is living her justice now, in hell. Kate and David were robbed of their son and grandson, and the world was robbed of a great Dr. and person. MORRISON: But then things changed. She studied international business and marketing before finding her passion for writing. Dr. ANDREW BAGBY: (Wedding videotape) Best man is a little bit of a poor title for these things. Mr. SHEARS: Yeah, I guess it did at the time, but I still didn't have, MORRISON: How difficult must it have been to ingratiate, themselves with their son's suspected killer? So far, nothing has changed - but continuing the legal battle helps give David and Kate the strength to carry on. By Mike Cassidy | Bay Area News Group. show takes four couples who are having trouble. Kate has also moved on,according to her Instagram. First published in 2007, Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss follows Andrew's family as they . David Benavidez and Kate Griffith were one of the four couples from season two of Temptation Island. Closed Captioning and Described Video is available for many CBC shows offered on CBC Gem. TVTropes is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License. And I saw that night her malignancy. I mean, she. Like everyone elses mom, I guess.. Now that Zachary was starting to walk, he was free to make a beeline to. And I know, you love me, and--yeah. My heart aches for Kate and David Bagby. She was coming here to take care of me. Around 3 a.m. on Aug. 18, she found the fishing wharf in the tiny town of Foxtrap. She was, pregnant, and the baby was Andrew's. Kurt's film, meanwhile, was released last year and hailed in the US as one of 2008's most moving documentaries. and our DNA testing proved he was Andrew Bagbys son. Very brave parents. Mrs. Kate Holland Bagby, age 101, of Flowery Branch entered into eternal rest with her Heavenly Father on Tuesday, Oct. 2, 2012, at her residence following a short illness. KATE: (To Zachary) Kurt knew your daddy when he was a little boy. (Photo of Andrew and Kurt; Kurt editing film; collection of videotapes with, Mr. KUENNE: It was no longer just my search for what was left of, (Collection of videotapes of raw footage), Mr. KUENNE: I thought, I'm kind of the keeper of all this footage that is. Serious crime is rare in this country. I never really convinced myself that she, could--that she would hurt Zachary. One of the most heart-wrenching books I have ever read. Kate and David Bagby's beloved son was murdered by a deranged ex-lover, who then announced she was carrying his baby. Six-month-old Zachary was, returned to her. We had negotiated a one-hour-a-week visitation in family court. MORRISON: Andrew Bagby. I kind of need to move on from that because, like I. said, I'm a Bagby male. He and his wife also participated in a. It is a story of their love for an infant and a tale of their determination to care for the child, even if it meant learning to live with the woman they were sure had killed their son. You know what, when Andrew didn't show up at 7:30, I knew something was very wrong. Mommy misses you. One credit a month to pick any title from our entire premium selection yours to keep (you'll use your first credit now). He was developing a personality. I have been interested in True Crime for years, but somehow I had never heard of this story until I found the documentary on Netflix. Some months ago I watched the documentary, "Dear Zachery" on Netflix. As the couple continued to date, Andrew complained to friends that Turner would not leave him alone. Or it's in the car. The two eventually lived together again. One for such a wonderful young man that you raised. Zachary's life, even talking to her eldest son and his girlfriend about it. He was a happy baby, with strawberry-blond hair and Andrew's nose. First she killed Andrew Bagby. I was just gone. The watch was continued after a more comprehensive psychological exam. Shirley, held his birthday party at McDonald's. He interviewed old friends who recalled Andrew as a gregarious, well-loved soul who starred in Kuenne's earliest attempts at filmmaking. MORRISON: She kept trying to get between you and the baby. MORRISON: But Andrew did agree to meet Shirley in a nearby park. (Shirley in court; Supreme Court of Newfoundland sign), Mr. BAGBY: And then they started slogging through the courts with one issue, MORRISON: In the meantime, Andrew's parents made a momentous. I became very emotional with this horrifying tale of injustice. She was here.' keep him safe, which they feared was about to become even more difficult. The documentary was also made with the intention of being given to Andrew's son Zachary to explain the full story of his family. MORRISON: There might have been a particular reason for this. And this book was okay. The first time I had to go into a room with her, David says. And he was beautiful, Kate says. This film was no longer a letter to you, Unidentified Man #23: Well, everybody always says, well, what. "Kate and I are very close and that helps. Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Just got up. https://www.saltwire.com//california-couple-want-as-many-/ saltwire.com California couple want as many people as possible to know their story | SaltWire Mr. BAGBY: We first got to see him personally in family court. 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