Review of a book of anecdotes about legendary UK boys' naval establishment HMS Ganges, which at any one time housed as many as 2,000 trainee sailors in their middle teens. HMS Ganges (1821) This page summarises records created by this Organisation The summary includes a brief description of the collection (s) (usually including the covering dates of the. RO1 (T) Served from 1970 - 1975 Served in HMS Ganges. July 27, Awarded the Freedom of Ipswich. HMS Ganges was also known as Shotley Training Establishment . LEADING SEAMAN Served from 1961 - 1970 Served in HMS Ganges. I heard many boys saying things like , dont bend over in front of the seamanship officer, or always face him dont turn around. Among his many punishments, he suffered cuts, a particularly brutal form of Naval punishment. Sailors' uniforms were a familiar sight in our area until HMS Ganges closed in June 1976. Each time I let it go off it popped, falling to the deck with a clatter. 1903. HMS Ganges 'He had the misfortune to be placed under the care of two particularly brutal and drunken instructors whose continual bullying and abuse proved too much for this emerging free spirit ' His early life was hard by any standards. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. If you cracked on and didn't buckle you were okay, but I wouldn't want to do it again. Mr Jones said: "There is a lot of truth to the statement that you entered as a boy, but left as a man. H.M.S. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can It closed in 1998 or something. The HMS Ganges site was initially opened in 1904 acted as a boys training facility for the Royal Navy. Drake 39 mess At least the cubicles in the heads had doors on this time. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 16 June 2021 . It was easy to spot those who had been here the longest. Royal Navy 238217 Ordinary Seaman HMS Niobe . While I was going through the various calls I felt his hand slipping up the back of my shorts. Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. Mast erected using the foremast of HMS Cordelia, which was broken up 1904. If not, you would do it repeatedly, until you dropped dead if necessary. It may not display this or other websites correctly. A Proceeds of Crime Act hearing is due to take place at Portsmouth Crown Court on 23 January. Every letter of our names had to be perfectly in line. This was the job of the button boy at HMS Ganges who had to shin up the last fifteen feet or so to climb on the button during ceremonial parades. they said. She was the last wooden wall ship to be a flagship, and the last to sail around cape horn unassisted. It would not be an exaggeration to say not one of us had the slightest idea of what lay in store for the next year. He went on to be an SD subby. I was so fearful of that oncoming event I was becoming a nervous wreck, each night reading the next day's daily orders, wondering if tomorrow would be the day I crapped my pants in public. Realizing his mistake he fought back and with no way out he had no choice but to work his ticket. ", The sailors in training doing exercises outside the gym (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). It was at Shotley Point that the wooden ship HMS Ganges was berthed from 1899, and used as a cadet training ship for the Royal Navy. Helpful Report abuse Kindle Customer Sorting The Wheat From The Chaff Reviewed in the United States on March 28, 2014 Justin I saw the mast fully manned three times and it was a wonderful sight to see as it was so well choreographed and I was always amazed how the button boy could even get onto the button, when there was a breeze the mast moved a few good feet at the top of it and as I said all he had to hold onto was a knee high lighting conductor. contact the editor here. The 142-foot high (43 m) mast was erected in 1907. The previous evening I'd arrived at HMS Ganges training annexe, with an assortment of other would-be-sailors, and was placed in the capable hands of a spotty-faced junior instructor and a bullet-proof gunnery instructor who wore crossed guns on both lapels. A question of Religion?Maybe MaybeNot???? LRO (G) Served from 1975 - 1998 Served in HMS Ganges. For breakfast porridge was on offer, that salt-coated gruel I'd been forced to eat every morning of my schoolboy days. ', and he replied that it was the first time he had a warm bed, three hot meals a day, and a roof over his head that didn't leak. You are using an out of date browser. It was a facade hiding unknown treasures unknown tricks for us to perform, the first of which was to mark our kit with our names. Today in Naval History - Naval / Maritime Events in History 13 March 1653 - Death of Simon de Vlieger (c. 1601, Rotterdam - buried 13 March 1653, Weesp) Simon de Vlieger (c. 1601, Rotterdam - buried 13 March 1653, Weesp) was a Dutch designer, draughtsman, and painter, most famous for. HMS Ganges as a training ship in the 1900s (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Old men on the HMS Ganges Facebook page and it helps keep alive my time spent there. Captain Tremlett, the Senior Officer of training ships, was ordered to investigate the situation and reported that Commander Stevens 'had given punishments . It may not display this or other websites correctly. These were all regular happenings at Ganges. 4 reviews When Peter Broadbent entered HMS Ganges, the toughest training establishment for young recruits to the Royal Navy, he was a naive 15-year-old Yorkshire schoolboy, entranced with the idea of seeing the world, proud of his drainpipe trousers and DA hairstyle, and eager to meet girls. They were both Ordinary Seamen, one aged 17 and the other aged 18. Martin Foster, 54, of Haig Road, Uxbridge, had already admitted two charges of fraud by abuse of position. Welcome Guest. HMS Ganges. Real posh supercilious bastard. Back in the mess, this safe haven shielding us from those torturous sounds, the junior instructors' suspiciously cheerful faces greeted us. He was fondling my right cheek as I tried to concentrate on pipping. Rumour had it many years ago a boy did fall, bouncing off the safety net and through the Post Office roof. This page is dedicated to the memory of Tony whose commitment to the Royal Navy and especially HMS Ganges was unlimited. He had the misfortune to be placed under the care of two particularly brutal and drunken instructors whose continual bullying and abuse proved too much for this emerging free spirit, . Ken Smith, who now lives in Brighton, sent me memories of arriving at HMS Ganges in the severe winter of 1963 and his fear of the dreaded mast. . The lower portion of the mast is steel, extending 18 feet (5.5 m) below ground and 30 feet (9.1 m) above ground. Restoration of the historic HMS Ganges Mast is well under way at Barrelmans Point in Shotley. After initial training we were marched from the training camp. This portion was taken from the foremast of the corvette Cordelia which was paid off . (LogOut/ Work on the scheme, which would see 285 new homes, a 60-bed nursing home, a large retail space and areas for medical services, will not be started until a spine road through the site, which will take the bulk of construction traffic away from main roads, is built. Picture: SARAH LUCY BROWN, Artist's impression showing the view across a residential street at the redeveloped HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. Should one of letters be a millimetre out, you found the lot on the deck when you returned to the mess. ( Royal Naval Detention Quarters RNDQs Portsmouth), Listen to No Flowers for Geordie on SoundCloud. Please Login or Register. At 14 he ran away to join the Royal Navy and 'signed on' for 12 years. Padre Weekes was always good for a fag and Jim Conroy (PTI) taught me to yodel. At about 60 feet was the Devil's Elbow, the most dangerous and frightening part. The HMS Ganges training base, which opened in 1905, closed in 1976 and has remained . JavaScript is disabled. This was the job of the button boy at HMS Ganges who had to shin up the last fifteen feet or so to climb on the button during ceremonial parades. He was quite good too. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. As a subscriber, you are shown 80% less display advertising when reading our articles. HMS Ganges was a "stone frigate" or land-based institution for the Royal Navy, and between 1905 and 1976 was one of the key training bases used to prepare sailors to defend Great Britain. AboutPressCopyrightContact. The kindly chef asked me whether I intended to eat the mountain of food I'd heaped on my plate or climb it! First Royal Navy ship to visit Eire, post independence? The overall height is 143 feet 10 inches, with the button being 11 inches diameter and 3 inches thick. While the training ship was originally based in Cornwall, she was moved to Harwich, and then Shotley in the 1890s, in order to be closer to a centre of population. Report . (LogOut/ It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. HMS Ganges - part of front gate Having completed the New Entry training over at the Annex (I think it took six weeks), we then marched over to Drake 39 mess over in the Main Establishment. In 1905 when the Ganges vessel was finally retired (and towed away to Chatham), the training facility, still named HMS Ganges, moved ashore. attempted to climb to the top of the mast, Harry and Meghan told to 'vacate' Frogmore Cottage, Explosive found in check-in luggage at US airport, Fungus case forces Jack Daniels to halt construction, Aboriginal spears taken in 1770 to return to Sydney, China and Belarus call for peace in Ukraine, Rare Jurassic-era bug found at Arkansas Walmart. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Ganges Tales of the T.R.O.G.s Print length 264 pages Language English Publisher Second City Publishers, Penmarth, Cornwall Publication date 22 Nov. 1995 ISBN-10 090681605X ISBN-13 Through the year the training was intense, probably a good thing, it gave us little time to regret joining the navy. Offenders, known in the Navy as "defaulters", were mustered every morning and went before the Captain for a formal hearing, where they could be "awarded" up to 12 "cuts" -- very hard strokes of 1905. Editors' Code of Practice. Royal Navy 238217 Boy 2nd Class HMS Ganges II. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. Steve Tarr. July 5 The old HMS Ganges sails out of Harwich Harbour. The former treasurer of a naval veterans' organisation has been jailed for 18 months after nearly 80,000 was withdrawn from its accounts. . Crowned on June 2, 1953, at the age of 25, Elizabeth II went on to have the longest reign for a British queen. HMS Ganges 2 in the harbour put all boys ashore and was then used as Naval Operations Ship, Harwich. H.M.S. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS (Image: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS). H.M.S. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's Heard so much about HMS Ganges though and it sounded very good for developing 'real sailors ' but as much as I hate to admit it I suspect it would have been too much for me . yes I was there in 92 .Essex, Nolfolk , Herts Suffolk and Cambs police all used it. 1971. The showers at Ganges were just one bare room with several shower heads, no privacy. Shotley Marina, Shotley Gate, Ipswich, IP9 1QJ. contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. The pipe (whistle) was used aboard ship for passing orders and instructions. Maybe we boxed each other in the Shotley annexe! Attempts have been made to contact developers Haylink Ltd but have been unsucessfull. in the RN with the nickname Doc. There were stories of many similar violations but none ever reported. the top rung of a six foot ladder is about my limit! I arrived at Ganges in the late afternoon on March 15th 1955, along with roughly a hundred other fifteen year old boys. A planning application for the site was submitted and outline permission was granted in 2015. Engineer commander had been on Amethyst up the Yangtse and was quite sympathetic when he was OOD. Jon Sparks. This site uses cookies. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. Down the road we proudly thundered, the first time any of us had seen the outside words since the day of our arrival. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. Who would have believed us, this was 1955 words like pedophile and sexual abuse were unheard of. Sad to see such an establishment close as it was so full of history and meant so much to so many. View of the iconic mast at the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. I had thought that our group were the only sailors, if we dared call ourselves that, in this annexe, but I was soon to discover there was a continuous rotation of faces, each at various stages of initiation, a small factory taking in baby civilians at one end and throwing out almost sailors into the real HMS Ganges at the other. I was out of there in an instant, but never said a word to anyone, I was just happy it was over and I had qualified. STANDING on a wooden disc about a foot in diameter, and saluting, does not sound too much of a challenge, unless it is 143feet above the ground and you only have a lightning conductor to grip between your knees. Graduating from Ganges held the promise of better times ahead, we would be real sailors, excited at the prospect of visiting far off and exotic lands. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. The Royal Navy training mast in Shotley Gate, pictured in 1936, was erected in 1907, A photograph of the base taken sometime in the 1950s (left), with recruits on the mast in 1937, with one recruit just about visible near the very top, John Youngman said his training at the site stood him in good stead for the rest of his life, Warning: Third party content may contain adverts, A pupil band from The Royal Hospital School performed at the event, It is expected to take at least a year to restore the mast at the tip of the Shotley peninsula, across the water from Felixstowe and Harwich. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. HMS Ganges closed on June 6. Outbreak of World War One. Network 157.90../16 Abuse Contact API. Indeed, I have never met a shipmate would ever claim otherwise. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. As Rudyard Kipping wrote in his famous poem IF the you will be a man my son. As a matter of interest how many of you did your 22 and beyond not many I suspect therefore you look back with nostalgia, fcuking hated the place and made certain I never treated any of my guys the same as the youngsters were treated there. BBC Blue Peter presenter John Noakes attempted to climb to the top of the mast. First Royal Navy ship to visit Eire, post independence? Read about our approach to external linking. Read about our approach to external linking. St George IOM Boys training 3/5/45 Christmas leave 45 took all kit and returned to Ipswich station, then by the ubiquitous 3 ton Bedford to Shotley where we reopened HMS Ganges as a boys establishment. Ken said: It was a dreadful winter. By creating an account you agree to us emailing you with newsletters and discounts, which you can switch off in your account at any time. I allowed my head to tilt backward, sending my gaze to the very top, to the lightning conductor where the Button Boy stood on ceremonial occasions. Report abuse. Were you a 'button boy'? 2023 BBC. I wondered, sewing, perhaps! The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Standing at 143ft, the mast is made up of three main parts; the main 75ft mast came from HMS Cordelia, a steam corvette built in Portsmouth, the top mast of 47.5 ft wooden ruffle box from HMS Agincourt, which was renamed HMS Boscawen, and then Ganges II. Sad to see such an establishment close as it was so full of history and meant so much to so many. Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. It was named after a pre-existing training ship by the same name that was launched from Bombay and based at Shotley. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's "In 1860 she was decommissioned and laid up, and in 1866 she was turned into a training ship, and her guns were removed. Editors' Code of Practice. Doesnt sound too bad does it. Ronald Carr. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. The skipper was HS McKenzie who went FOSM. 11.00 to 17.00 Saturdays, Sundays and Bank Holidays between Easter and the end of October. HMS GANGES 6th May 2009 - YouTube. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, Independent Babergh District councillor for Ganges, Derek Davis. Speaking about the current state of the site, Mr Jones said: "All of the messes have been demolished, as have the laundry and the generators. Well this seems a good time to see if this site works properly. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. He was sitting on a stool and told me to stand in front of him and begin. From the top of the mast, its a long way to come ! "The rest of the buildings, including Nelsons Hall and the swimming pool will be converted into flats, shops and a sports centre. It began snowing on Boxing Day. My DO was so unforgetable I can't remember his name, but he ponced around with his handky up his sleeve and a curled lip. We had no one to confide in, our instructors would more than likely told us not to tell tales. However, for most of us boys, qualifying meant we could wear the Bosuns chain with our uniform instead of a lanyard. contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. The latest development means that construction work could start immediately, however, due to the coronavirus outbreak, progress has been delayed. I told him "I don't give a flying feck!" Hetzner Online GmbH, Industriestrasse 25, D-91710 Gunzenhausen, Germany +49 9831 505-0 abuse@hetzner.com. Heard so much about HMS Ganges though and it sounded very good for developing 'real sailors ' but as much as I hate to admit it I suspect it would have been too much for me . Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. 1905 - 1976 A history of the Royal Navy Training Establishment HMS Ganges. Ganges training establishment. Discussions between developers and Babergh District Council planning officers have been concluded five years after plans for the huge project were given outline planning permission in December 2015. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I wrote this song a long time ago. The mast has been a local landmark since it was erected a century ago this year at the end of the Shotley peninsular. 1905 to 1976 saw 150,000 recruits pass through HMS Ganges. Looking pretty in candy-striped pyjama bottoms and naked chests, we were ordered across the parade ground, through the snow and ice, to the 'heads', that grown-up potty land, which had neither doors nor partitions around the bowls for privacy, to partake in our morning ablutions, a most embarrassing experience. 1906. On the parade ground the order went something like On the command fix! The left hand went behind the cheek of your left buttock and twisted the bayonet and scabbard upward. 1959 and what a bugger Ganges turned out to be. The money belonged to the HMS Ganges Association for people who served at the former naval training base at Shotley Gate near Ipswich, Suffolk. He had the misfortune to be placed under the care of two particularly brutal and drunken instructors whose continual bullying and abuse proved too much for this emerging free spirit . 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